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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Jan 22, 2018 14:45:35 GMT -5
yesterday at 1:41pm skswede said:
link< Hmmmm interesting story, it does seem to jive with the way Michie not only left, but refuses contact with the band.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 23, 2018 0:33:16 GMT -5
yesterday at 1:41pm skswede said: link< Hmmmm interesting story, it does seem to jive with the way Michie not only left, but refuses contact with the band. There's just enough in that newsgroup post that seems like it might be verifiable to obscure the reality that much of it is off the wall, most of it ranges between disrespectful and thoughtless of others, and all the most interesting stuff could be totally made up. And is not verifiable. The account from which that information was posted put up some small number of messages. There was at least one other claiming to be a different individual representing "The Shonen Knights". Taken in total, the Knights sound not only gossipy and spiteful, but grandiose and a bit paranoid. Delusional, like finding secret messages from outer space in the daily papers. IOW, the opposite of somebody you can afford to put trust in...
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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Jan 23, 2018 13:59:14 GMT -5
yesterday at 1:41pm skswede said: link< Hmmmm interesting story, it does seem to jive with the way Michie not only left, but refuses contact with the band. There's just enough in that newsgroup post that seems like it might be verifiable to obscure the reality that much of it is off the wall, most of it ranges between disrespectful and thoughtless of others, and all the most interesting stuff could be totally made up. And is not verifiable. The account from which that information was posted put up some small number of messages. There was at least one other claiming to be a different individual representing "The Shonen Knights". Taken in total, the Knights sound not only gossipy and spiteful, but grandiose and a bit paranoid. Delusional, like finding secret messages from outer space in the daily papers. IOW, the opposite of somebody you can afford to put trust in... Just saying some of it is plausible, but, I wouldn't post it as fact anywhere
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 24, 2018 3:43:10 GMT -5
There's just enough in that newsgroup post that seems like it might be verifiable to obscure the reality that much of it is off the wall, most of it ranges between disrespectful and thoughtless of others, and all the most interesting stuff could be totally made up. And is not verifiable. The account from which that information was posted put up some small number of messages. There was at least one other claiming to be a different individual representing "The Shonen Knights". Taken in total, the Knights sound not only gossipy and spiteful, but grandiose and a bit paranoid. Delusional, like finding secret messages from outer space in the daily papers. IOW, the opposite of somebody you can afford to put trust in... Just saying some of it is plausible, but, I wouldn't post it as fact anywhere That is no good!!! Total fiction is plausible. Fake news from Russia is plausible. That's how atrocious falsehoods get traction with sheeplike people who don't think. It's a topic you know something about. This is not entertainment, it touches real lives of real people who are with us today. Whom we take a benign interest in. Whom we say hi to on the internet. Whom we claim to support. When you call it "plausible" and leave it at that, whether you realize it or not, whether you repost or not, you've given a weak endorsement to a scumbag. Since Shonen Knife doesn't deserve that, I'm working on a responsible evaluation that doesn't stop at "plausible." I've thought of doing it before now, but it seemed to me that this wretched gossip was too sad and too vicious to rake up again. I was wrong, though.
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Post by skswede on Jan 24, 2018 3:51:14 GMT -5
♬ "SMOOOOOOAK from the LAWWWWWYERS, Deep PURPLE's GONNA sue..." ♬ www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1284 My first thoughts also. I guess Naoko can get away with it because of who she is, but let you or I try it... Heck, cover bands aren't even supposed to play cover tunes in a night club without permission from the owners of the music to perform those songs and then you have the ASCAP & BMI folks who could get involved if they wanted to.
Maybe she was just trying to one up Weird Al? A sense of humor thing? I don't know. Roman's bass sure cuts through nicely, I like the sound of it. Rhetorical question: Why didn't Naoko use Naru, Rits, or Ats on bass? Or me?
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Post by skswede on Jan 24, 2018 3:54:11 GMT -5
♬ "SMOOOOOOAK from the LAWWWWWYERS, Deep PURPLE's GONNA sue..." ♬ www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=1284 My first thoughts also. I guess Naoko can get away with it because of who she is, but let you or I try it... Heck, cover bands aren't even supposed to play cover tunes in a night club without permission from the owners of the music to perform those songs and then you have the ASCAP & BMI folks who could get involved if they wanted to.
Maybe she was just trying to one up Weird Al? A sense of humor thing? I don't know. Roman's bass sure cuts through nicely, I like the sound of it. Rhetorical question: Why didn't Naoko use Naru, Rits, or Ats on bass? Or me? No this is the best one.
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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Jan 24, 2018 8:20:53 GMT -5
Just saying some of it is plausible, but, I wouldn't post it as fact anywhere That is no good!!! Total fiction is plausible. Fake news from Russia is plausible. That's how atrocious falsehoods get traction with sheeplike people who don't think. It's a topic you know something about. This is not entertainment, it touches real lives of real people who are with us today. Whom we take a benign interest in. Whom we say hi to on the internet. Whom we claim to support. When you call it "plausible" and leave it at that, whether you realize it or not, whether you repost or not, you've given a weak endorsement to a scumbag. Since Shonen Knife doesn't deserve that, I'm working on a responsible evaluation that doesn't stop at "plausible." I've thought of doing it before now, but it seemed to me that this wretched gossip was too sad and too vicious to rake up again. I was wrong, though. Take a chill pill, Jeff!
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 24, 2018 8:25:42 GMT -5
That is no good!!! Total fiction is plausible. Fake news from Russia is plausible. That's how atrocious falsehoods get traction with sheeplike people who don't think. It's a topic you know something about. This is not entertainment, it touches real lives of real people who are with us today. Whom we take a benign interest in. Whom we say hi to on the internet. Whom we claim to support. When you call it "plausible" and leave it at that, whether you realize it or not, whether you repost or not, you've given a weak endorsement to a scumbag. Since Shonen Knife doesn't deserve that, I'm working on a responsible evaluation that doesn't stop at "plausible." I've thought of doing it before now, but it seemed to me that this wretched gossip was too sad and too vicious to rake up again. I was wrong, though. Take a chill pill, Jeff! No, I am serious because it is. shonenknife.proboards.com/post/20626/thread
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Post by Broccoli Man on Jan 26, 2018 17:02:14 GMT -5
O.M.G. That is one heck of a link. I'm talking with George on a regular basis. Wow! And not only THAT link, but all the others on the Michie page as well. Thanks Tan for setting the record straight about this Shonen Knight's guy, this is incredible reading, of which I will have to come back to, there is too much to absorb in one sitting. However, I will say that a couple of years ago I posed the question(s) of why did Michie tend to look so depressed, frumpy and looking like her energy and fun had been sucked out of her, especially around the time of the 120 Minutes and late night TV talk show appearances. It appears I wasn't the only one to have noticed this as Mr Knight's comment states, plus that horrible drawing of her from the opening pages of Shonen Knife Land... was Naoko really that upset with her to let that slip on by and into the book? I'm probably jumping threads here so let me get back into the Michie thread and read more at a later time to see what all Tan has said.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 27, 2018 18:00:15 GMT -5
O.M.G. That is one heck of a link. I'm talking with George on a regular basis. Wow! And not only THAT link, but all the others on the Michie page as well. Thanks Tan for setting the record straight about this Shonen Knight's guy, this is incredible reading, of which I will have to come back to, there is too much to absorb in one sitting. However, I will say that a couple of years ago I posed the question(s) of why did Michie tend to look so depressed, frumpy and looking like her energy and fun had been sucked out of her, especially around the time of the 120 Minutes and late night TV talk show appearances. It appears I wasn't the only one to have noticed this as Mr Knight's comment states, plus that horrible drawing of her from the opening pages of Shonen Knife Land... was Naoko really that upset with her to let that slip on by and into the book? I'm probably jumping threads here so let me get back into the Michie thread and read more at a later time to see what all Tan has said. It's exhausting to try piecing together everything that went on in that newsgroup around the topics of Michie and Shonen Knights. SKUSA was attempting to hijack, pollute, and destroy the integrity of the whole group. I made the best job of it that I'm able to do right now, no better than that. 〜〜〜 There's a huge temptation to read more into things than you can actually see. You can see what Naoko put on paper, but you can't see what she was thinking. She drew herself as plain and serious-looking, certainly nothing exciting. Atsuko came out as a glasses-geek in clothes that clash. What was Naoko's intention, and did she even draw well enough to bring it off? No way to know. She didn't necessarily see the same thing you do, when you're looking at her cartoon. 〜〜〜 Dragged-out, unenthusiastic Michie: it's the same kind of danger. She may not have on the Happy Face as often as the Yamanos, but she's a complicated person and it's impossible to be in her head. You can say that Michie enjoyed everything that comes along with playing shows and going on extended tours less than the sisters did. If she wanted another 15 years of that it was hers for the taking, but even Atsuko put Shonen Knife second to having the kind of life she wanted. Where looking glum during interviews is concerned, any SK lineup looks a little glum and fidgety when they have to sit there like waxworks while Naoko says the same thing over and over to interviewers. Put yourself in that place. We're people too, we have thoughts and things to say, but our job is to sit, smile, and nod sometimes. It would make anybody feel a bit uncomfortable, awkward, even stupid-looking. Living Mannikin is a hard job, and taping TV live for broadcast is already hard enough.
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Post by Broccoli Man on Jan 27, 2018 18:11:46 GMT -5
O.M.G. That is one heck of a link. I'm talking with George on a regular basis. Wow! And not only THAT link, but all the others on the Michie page as well. Thanks Tan for setting the record straight about this Shonen Knight's guy, this is incredible reading, of which I will have to come back to, there is too much to absorb in one sitting. However, I will say that a couple of years ago I posed the question(s) of why did Michie tend to look so depressed, frumpy and looking like her energy and fun had been sucked out of her, especially around the time of the 120 Minutes and late night TV talk show appearances. It appears I wasn't the only one to have noticed this as Mr Knight's comment states, plus that horrible drawing of her from the opening pages of Shonen Knife Land... was Naoko really that upset with her to let that slip on by and into the book? I'm probably jumping threads here so let me get back into the Michie thread and read more at a later time to see what all Tan has said. It's exhausting to try piecing together everything that went on in that newsgroup around the topics of Michie and Shonen Knights. SKUSA was attempting to hijack, pollute, and destroy the integrity of the whole group. I made the best job of it that I'm able to do right now, no better than that. Duly noted. I still have to comment on gl0r and svedes comments + go through your rebuttal to the Knight's article, just no time it seems and everything here can be quite comprehensive and exhausting as you say. You're doing a great job, don't sweat it.
〜〜〜 There's a huge temptation to read more into things than you can actually see. You can see what Naoko put on paper, but you can't see what she was thinking. She drew herself as plain and serious-looking, certainly nothing exciting. Atsuko came out as a glasses-geek in clothes that clash. What was Naoko's intention, and did she even draw well enough to bring it off? No way to know. She didn't necessarily see the same thing you do, when you're looking at her cartoon. 〜〜〜 Dragged-out, unenthusiastic Michie: it's the same kind of danger. She may not have on the Happy Face as often as the Yamanos, but she's a complicated person and it's impossible to be in her head. You can say that Michie enjoyed everything that comes along with playing shows and going on extended tours less than the sisters did. If she wanted another 15 years of that it was hers for the taking, but even Atsuko put Shonen Knife second to having the kind of life she wanted. Where looking glum during interviews is concerned, any SK lineup looks a little glum and fidgety when they have to sit there like waxworks while Naoko says the same thing over and over to interviewers. Put yourself in that place. We're people too, we have thoughts and things to say, but our job is to sit, smile, and nod sometimes. It would make anybody feel a bit uncomfortable, awkward, even stupid-looking. Living Mannikin is a hard job, and taping TV live for broadcast is already hard enough.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 27, 2018 21:18:54 GMT -5
You remember this from 1992… SHONEN KNIFE-LIVE IN CONCERT–STAGE TWO–19922013 JAN 07 by sunsetz777 (26:01) This is the original line up live in England. www.farsidemusic.com
〜〜〜〜〜 Naoko, King of ComedyAbout 04:59 —What's your favorite thing, about Britain?— Uh, I like that the ceiling is very high. Words that will not waitFrom about 11:22 — What were your favorite bands, when you started?Naoko: When we started band, ah, I listened to [ the default list ]. They were our favorite. [ Michie = "This question again." ] — And now, have you got some new favorites now?Naoko: Ah, yes. Nirvana… or… Sonic Youth. Dinosaur Jr. Or so. [ nervous snicker ] — American bands. [ Actually, it's just bands SK have played with lately, or who have helped them the most. ] Naoko: Ah, yes, i-it… Michie: TEENAGE FAN CLUB!!! [ just toured with, onetime label-mates on Fire Records ] Take it away, Michie-sanAbout 18:33 — Your first record over here was on Fire? Or through Fire Records… yeah?Michie: Ah… yessss. That's all from Michie that made the edit. Atsuko speaks not a word, but smiles, fidgets, and gazes into space.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 31, 2018 6:21:09 GMT -5
Why you don't like rock music writers It's Too Late to Die Young NowBy Andrew Mueller www.panmacmillan.com.au/9781743289235/ISBN: 9781743289235 Format: eBook / Trade paperback Pub Date: 01/08/2013 Category: Biography & True Stories / Memoirs Imprint: Picador Australia Price: $12.99 / $32.99 From the publisher's blurb: There is no field of journalism more mythologised or more derided than rock journalism - with good reason, according to Andrew Mueller… That is, mythologized by its practitioners, derided by Frank Zappa everyone else. The trouble with rock writers who are critics is, they can be like bar fighters who drag the whole room into it... so you get journalism like this: That's nothing to do with the writer's narrative, it's just a gratuitous slur, like slapping any face within arm's reach. I don't know how anyone can talk that way about Die Toten Hosen! Die Toten Hosen - Hier Kommt Alex (1988)2006 DEC 13 by Berny nator (03:53) Alternate English-language version (04:28)
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Post by thegl0r on Jan 31, 2018 11:29:20 GMT -5
Oh, so in the dim and distant past Andy M used to write for Melody Maker and now he writes stuff for the non-music press. He must be worth reading. Hmm. Despite a low opinion of music jurnous and an even lower opinion of music critics, I regularly used to buy a selection of the weekly music papers. Mainly for the gig listings. But I particularly hated Melody Maker and their snooty attitude, "We are important and we know what we're talking about 'cos our rag has been around for ever." I did buy Melody Maker a few times when Shonen Knife pictures appeared on their pages but I always felt dissatisfied with reading the paper. My all-time most hated music writer was Garry Bushel who wrote for Sounds, one of the UK's music weeklies. I won't bother to rant on about him, though Crass did write a nice song about him. I must warn that song is rather full of swear words. Oh no, it looks like I've suddenly devolved and become a critic and I can't even leave a beautiful corpse!
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 31, 2018 17:43:18 GMT -5
Oh, so in the dim and distant past Andy M used to write for Melody Maker and now he writes stuff for the non-music press. He must be worth reading. Hmm. He is worth reading on occasion. Oddly, he fell out of modern rock and into classic American country. There's a problem, though. He's still trying to be superior to the knuckleheads who used to beat him up at school, so no one is ever safe from his cheap unmotivated jabs. Despite a low opinion of music jurnous and an even lower opinion of music critics, I regularly used to buy a selection of the weekly music papers. Mainly for the gig listings. But I particularly hated Melody Maker and their snooty attitude, "We are important and we know what we're talking about 'cos our rag has been around for ever." I did buy Melody Maker a few times when Shonen Knife pictures appeared on their pages but I always felt dissatisfied with reading the paper. MM was like a finishing school for people such as the above. They'd start them out as impressionable teens and groom them up. My all-time most hated music writer was Garry Bushel who wrote for Sounds, one of the UK's music weeklies. I won't bother to rant on about him, though Crass did write a nice song about him. I must warn that song is rather full of swear words. Oh no, it looks like I've suddenly devolved and become a critic and I can't even leave a beautiful corpse! If you venture any opinion, you have to support it... and now, just like that, you are a hated critic. Take your best shot, he's wide open (from MySpace)The Blazing Zoos, a full throttle mock-post-alt-country-revival electric guitar band. A. Mueller, gt. and music director. Mainstream sentimentality, classic fightin' and cheatin' songs, but unfortunately... a real lot of college education: 〜〜〜〜〜 In the notes at Bandcamp for their 2010 album I'll Leave Quietly (cover art: a falling bomb sent with a heart and kisses) you find: Features a four-page booklet replete with riveting track-listing, personnel information, thank yous which probably don't mention you, given that if we liked you that much we'd have sent you a free one.That's what I mean. Even if there's no decent chance to be a jerk, a good rock writer makes his own opportunies.
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