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Post by Broccoli Man on Jan 14, 2018 16:40:02 GMT -5
I've often wondered why three band members all billed as bass players are retained full-time? But not because I thought they needed a fourth one! In other news, I noticed on Naoko's blog for the 2017 December 22 show in Osaka the following quote: "There were video crews for live shooting. We’ll release live album and DVD soon of this show." Yay! Apologies if I somehow missed mention of this elsewhere on this site, but I thought that was big news. My question exactly, three "full" time bassists (they're only full time when they're working) yet Naoko used Roman. Weird. The DVD is the "Ready, Set, Go" concert footage from their recent Australian/New Zealand tours.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 14, 2018 19:19:10 GMT -5
Maybe she was just trying to one up Weird Al? A sense of humor thing? I don't know. I think Naoko just likes mix-ins, and she has no problem stealing lifting borrowing licks that are so famous they're radioactive. The original mix is just so thick that they might have been looking for anything to avoid sounding under-produced. Roman's bass sure cuts through nicely, I like the sound of it. Rhetorical question: Why didn't Naoko use Naru, Rits, or Ats on bass? Or me? Haha, you like it because Atsushi is a Chris Squire devotee and dialed up some of that sound for this. Do they know you're available? Hubby always has first option, that's just how it goes at the Yamano house.
My theory is it's him on that heavily processed guitar solo too. I've often wondered why three band members all billed as bass players are retained full-time? But not because I thought they needed a fourth one! I think it might be because they're on-call and far from requiring a real retainer, let alone a salary. Naru and Atsuko are nowhere near looking for other work, and Ritsuko's daughter has hold of one leg. They're basically like dedicated pro-level hobbyists. In other news, I noticed on Naoko's blog for the 2017 December 22 show in Osaka the following quote: "There were video crews for live shooting. We’ll release live album and DVD soon of this show." Yay! Apologies if I somehow missed mention of this elsewhere on this site, but I thought that was big news. I hope for all concerned that it is big news!
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 14, 2018 19:45:53 GMT -5
2017 ended with show no.1210. From Naoko December 22, Fandango, Osaka2017/12/22 (Fri) www.shonenknife.net/blog/archives/27902 First hometown outing in 5 months. Atsuko's new costume design is officially designated the Stripe Dress, shimashima amongst themselves. It clashes like hell with the Mondrian pattern. I would like to suggest green and orange versions for the reserve bassists. The merch table you will see only in Osaka Seventies Night Ritsuko and Naru joined midway for a cover of Nick Lowe's "Cruel to be Kind". Naoko said the song lyrics seemed easy but were surprisingly difficult to memorize — even with practice, they "wouldn't go into the hippocampus" until somehow she got them in before showtime. You say your love is bonafide, but that don't go inside, I mean "coincide"Easier to remember was the surprise encore by both bands: Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'". It's already one that Naoko pulls out at karaoke. "Some will win, some will lose, some were born to sing the blues…" EDIT: But what about "up and down the boulevard"?!! No one can pronounce this!!!You are reminded that there's a DVD movie of the show in production. Naoko said she unwound at home with a drink and some teriyaki eel BBQ (rare treat). She had a lot of birthday congratulations, but being filmed really made her nervous. 3 DSLRs on monopods with a prominent mini DV recorder on a pole in front, and Director-san in backThe costs of making and distributing the video — including sound production — are all on Tomato Head (I figure). No do-overs. It's always a strain to go in knowing you have to have one of your better nights or else. But it worked out! And now you get to wonder how they intend to distribute, when there's never been any direct mail-order from the Tomato Head label.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 15, 2018 21:19:45 GMT -5
The creator of this strip humbly begs your pardonOK, so it's not really humble at all This is the original misstep from a guy who writes elsewhere, "…in the 1990s, I dropped a lot of acid…" and "…I’ve been punched in the face a lot." From www.bandsiusetalike.com/biul/shonen-knife/ Matty Boy further notes: Shonen Knife didn’t contribute [ the song "Birthday Cake" ] Cibo Matto did. That’s who did “Birthday Cake”, the song I’m complaining about. Five seconds of research would have kept this from happening. The long and the short of it is that oftentimes I totally f——— up.
I don’t even know how I confused Shonen Knife and Cibo Matto, or if they’re even similar. Great, thanks. But why do I feel so sure that the five minutes of diligence isn't going to happen in the future either? If you really can't tell the difference between Cibo Matto and Shonen Knife, you don't know anything about either band. Cartoonist and blogger Matty Boy Anderson is an interesting guy, just not quite as near as you could get to a responsible one. And his humor totally lacks honor. ◼︎ Sorry, but it comes off as racist. Same as if every time I saw you I said, "Look! It's Justin Bieber!!!" because you're white and that's what I see. ◼︎ "Birthday Cake", not "Chocolate Cake". It's a killer track, but so harsh. 8X annually is a maximum safe dose. YOU KNOW MY LOVE IS SWEET ◼︎ No, the compulsive watching is to blame. SK did their job.
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Post by Broccoli Man on Jan 20, 2018 10:28:02 GMT -5
"Roman's bass sure cuts through nicely, I like the sound of it. Rhetorical question: Why didn't Naoko use Naru, Rits, or Ats on bass? Or me? Haha, you like it because Atsushi is a Chris Squire devotee and dialed up some of that sound for this. Do they know you're available? Hubby always has first option, that's just how it goes at the Yamano house." Excuse my ignorance, Roman and Atsushi are one and the same?? Roman is Tomato Head?
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Post by Broccoli Man on Jan 20, 2018 11:00:12 GMT -5
If this post belongs in a different thread then please feel free to move it. I just purchased the "Knife Collector" unopened CD + Magazine + Button package. The link is here: www.ebay.com/itm/CD-SHONEN-KNIFE-Knife-Collectors-Fan-Club-CD-Magazine-Button-NEW/292414579921?hash=item44154464d1:g:ui0AAOSwNDJaYURLI have not seen anything in the Forum related to the "Knife Collectors" CD package. Is there a link? I thought I had everything SK has recorded, apparently not. "Punk Animals", "Strawberry Creampuff 'La La Version'", and "Hokey Pokey" are new to me (thank you Mikado for the lead on FB). I'm sure there's more stuff missing from my collection if I missed those three.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 20, 2018 18:36:13 GMT -5
Roman and Atsushi are one and the same?? Roman is Tomato Head? Yepper — unless I am badly mistaken "Roman Yumeno" is an alias Atsushi uses when he records for Shonen Knife, as he has done on a few occasions when they needed something instrumental. I hear it as a winking tell-tale: RAMONES + YAMANO Roman's got other performance credits (that I know of right now) on: Heavy Songs Genki Shock! Super Group Free Time Pop Tune | (2003) (2006) (2009) (2010) (2012) |
Atsushi is a pretty good bass player. When Michie got too sick to play some dates in Australia, he stepped in cold as emergency live support. He recorded under his own name for some experimental bands like Amaryllis, and he was a member of Seiichi Yamamoto's group Rashinban with Mana Nishiura. That didn't last long, but just getting asked means your mojo works.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 20, 2018 19:29:08 GMT -5
If this post belongs in a different thread then please feel free to move it. I just purchased the "Knife Collector" unopened CD + Magazine + Button package... I have not seen anything in the Forum related to the "Knife Collectors" CD package. "Punk Animals", "Strawberry Creampuff 'La La Version'", and "Hokey Pokey" are new to me I'm sure there's more stuff missing from my collection if I missed those three. I found that one in a store, still in shrinkwrap with a German stock label, but no one was interested in that development. Although I thought it was pretty exciting. The releases to the fan club always have a little something unique, but Knife Collectors No.1 is unusually good I think. If you got the magazine flat in its wrapper with a can badge, that's pretty sweet. It'd be worth doing to make up a little discography of just those private releases. 〜〜〜〜〜 If having everything of theirs that was ever recorded means having everything of theirs that was ever recorded... May the Knife be with you. • Where's the live webcast and the commercial for Microsoft, and all those performances on Japanese TV? • There are many unofficially sourced live recordings • A certain number of collaborations and guest appearances with whomever on whatever... Pigface? "Like A Salmon?" • A good copy of the unreleased "Cherry" spring promotion for FM802, JOFV-FM 80.2 rock radio in Osaka? • What about "Ganbare Kansai" (がんばれ関西) from February 1995, a 6-month radio campaign for Kirin Beverages? I don't believe anyone alive knows everything about various versions of songs that have been released over and over in 3 or more markets. Not even Naoko. Not sure how Egg_Crisis is doing with his quest, but I've never heard anybody else say they were getting close to having a complete library. I'd feel totally accomplished if I only had a complete and verified *list*.
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Post by thegl0r on Jan 21, 2018 8:19:14 GMT -5
If this post belongs in a different thread then please feel free to move it. I just purchased the "Knife Collector" unopened CD + Magazine + Button package... I have not seen anything in the Forum related to the "Knife Collectors" CD package. Is there a link? I thought I had everything SK has recorded, apparently not. "Punk Animals", "Strawberry Creampuff 'La La Version'", and "Hokey Pokey" are new to me (thank you Mikado for the lead on FB). I'm sure there's more stuff missing from my collection if I missed those three. Nice one, congrats on your purchase. Some time ago, I also managed to grab a copy for my collection off eBay, original packaging, badge and booklet, but my copy had been opened. Somewhere I've also got just the CD by itself, the first copy I managed to track down at a reasonable price - but I still wanted the booklet and having the badge would be nice. As for managing to get everything Shonen Knife have released, well it depends how far you want to go. There are rare tracks to hunt down that may have only ever appeared on one particular release, then there are all the different studio variations of some songs, and also the live versions of songs. What about compilations or guest appearances. tangerinesun may well be right when he said, " I don't believe anyone alive knows everything about various versions of songs that have been released over and over in 3 or more markets. Not even Naoko." I remember seeing a YouTube video where someone was showing off his collection of Shonen Knife vinyl. He had loads of records and just flicked through them with comments something along the lines of "Here's my copy of the first pressing of this album on this record label and pressed on black vinyl and here's a copy of it pressed on red vinyl, and here's one on white vinyl and also one on pink vinyl." Then continuing with, "I've also got this record label's second pressing of the album in all these colours. and it was also released by another record label on these colours of vinyl..." And he went on and on in a very anal way just showing off loads of records. Lucky git. But perhaps that's going a little bit too far, even for a sad sack like me. I like to tell myself that I've pulled together most of the essentials for an SK collection, but I'm still missing releases, even ones that come up quite frequently. I've not come across any one particular discog that could claim to show absolutely every release that Shonen Knife have had over the years, but there is one which is pretty good despite not having been updated since 2012. Obviously I don't have every SK release, but I did compare most of the records, tapes and CDs which I've got against this list and only came across a few small discrepancies or omissions. But now I can't remember what they were and anyway, the discog has been updated since I did my check... Like tangerinesun said, I'd also would " feel totally accomplished if I only had a complete and verified list." I keep promising myself that I'll get around to arranging and cataloguing my collection of SK stuff, just so I don't make any more stupid mistakes by missing out on buying something, or making unintentional repeat purchases. My memory sometimes gets a bit slippery. I don't know if this is going to be of any help to you, but you may want to try having a look here purjo.com/discographies/discography.asp?artist=00_shonen_knife
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Post by skswede on Jan 21, 2018 12:03:17 GMT -5
Roman and Atsushi are one and the same?? Roman is Tomato Head? Yepper — unless I am badly mistaken "Roman Yumeno" is an alias Atsushi uses when he records for Shonen Knife, as he has done on a few occasions when they needed something instrumental. I hear it as a winking tell-tale: RAMONES + YAMANO Roman's got other performance credits (that I know of right now) on: Heavy Songs Genki Shock! Super Group Free Time Pop Tune | (2003) (2006) (2009) (2010) (2012) |
Atsushi is a pretty good bass player. When Michie got too sick to play some dates in Australia, he stepped in cold as emergency live support. Ok actually no big deal,correct if i am wrong but wasn´t that in New Zealand. He recorded under his own name for some experimental bands like Amaryllis, and he was a member of Seiichi Yamamoto's group Rashinban with Mana Nishiura. That didn't last long, but just getting asked means your mojo works.
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Post by skswede on Jan 21, 2018 13:41:55 GMT -5
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 21, 2018 15:10:26 GMT -5
I remember seeing a YouTube video where someone was showing off his collection of Shonen Knife vinyl. He had loads of records and just flicked through them with comments something along the lines of "Here's my copy of the first pressing of this album on this record label and pressed on black vinyl and here's a copy of it pressed on red vinyl, and here's one on white vinyl and also one on pink vinyl." Then continuing with, "I've also got this record label's second pressing of the album in all these colours. and it was also released by another record label on these colours of vinyl..." And he went on and on in a very anal way just showing off loads of records. Ha, I would love to see this happening — any hints? Besides search lucky+git?Lucky git. Git, certainly. I don't envy people who have every color of a vinyl release because pink vinyl sounds the same as black vinyl. A little bit worse, actually, if you want to go all oddyofaiyul. I like to tell myself that I've pulled together most of the essentials for an SK collection, but I'm still missing releases, even ones that come up quite frequently. I'm an amateur musicologist, Jim, not a museum director. My interest is more like, "Was this from the same master tape? When they subtracted 1500 milliseconds from the head and tail, did they also do other stuff to it?"
And I like gazing on jacket art, but that's just me. I've not come across any one particular discog that could claim to show absolutely every release that Shonen Knife have had over the years, but there is one which is pretty good despite not having been updated since 2012. Obviously I don't have every SK release, but I did compare most of the records, tapes and CDs which I've got against this list and only came across a few small discrepancies or omissions. But now I can't remember what they were and anyway, the discog has been updated since I did my check... As a group project, this is quite doable but individually it's like digging your own Panama canal. Think Wikipedia.
I almost have the will to do this task, but not quite because of the pesky cost/benefit thing. I wonder if it would irritate more people than it pleases?
The discog that Andreas W. posted is a shining beacon, for sure. Only addresses audio releases by recognized commercial entities to ca. 2012, though. It's only one of a number of them that he's hosting, too.
When discogs.com was young and vital and social media did not exist, a lot of good work was done on the SK catalog, sometimes with every scrap of credit from liner notes transcribed. Which is part of the gold standard of documentation.
I keep promising myself that I'll get around to arranging and cataloguing my collection of SK stuff, just so I don't make any more stupid mistakes by missing out on buying something, or making unintentional repeat purchases. My memory sometimes gets a bit slippery. I've done this too. I can't keep it all in my head, all at once, all the time.
The key to the universal discography is to make it like any respectable archaeology project, with a complete plan broken down into phases with a map that you go through cell by cell with a sifter, checking and double-checking along the way, with a consistent log. Then, it gets done for real. Sound like fun? No, me neither. But it's not torture.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 21, 2018 16:49:24 GMT -5
Atsushi is a pretty good bass player. When Michie got too sick to play some dates in Australia, he stepped in cold as emergency live support. Ok actually no big deal,correct if i am wrong but wasn´t that in New Zealand. Thank you, that's what I should have said... but I didn't actually know the timeline of the tour. That's what fans are for! Shonen Knife were invited to the Big Day Out roadshow and played every stop on the tour, setlist.fm records those dates. The original authority for all of the 1997 tour info is either obscure, hard to get to, or completely erased by information rot over the past 20 years. If not for the Internet Archive, I'd have no contemporaneous record at all, but here's from the former Shonen Knife NeXus at Earthlink, as it was on 1998 DEC 07: Big Day Out Tour Shonen Knife Tour - New Zealand/Australia, 1997!
In January/February 1997, Shonen Knife completed their first tour of the Big Day Out Festivals, and club dates in AUSTRALIA! Everyone was happy that Michie Nakatani was on stage and performing again with the band following her "big fight" with appendicitis just before the tour was to begin! Atsushi Shibata from the popular Japanese band, Combo Congas, played the Bass for the New Zealand show, but Michie was then able to return to performing! This was the first-ever tour of the great country "down under", and it was very exciting for them and for fans in Australia who've long lamented that they've not had the chance to see Shonen Knife perform there!
This section is devoted to coverage of the recent Australian Tour. All reports from fans in Australia and New Zealand who attended the Shonen Knife Performances on the tour, as well as information regarding Press Coverage and Magazine articles about the shows - will be welcomed here, and posted. There are some GREAT reports from fans in this section already! Read On! Also, SKLA urges Online Fans to post their reaction to this tour on the "Planet Knife Bulletin Board" on the Official "Planet Knife" Shonen Knife Home Page in Japan!! This Australian Tour section was activated on January 19, 1997, and was updated on March 16, 1997!
Here are the Tour Dates and other appearances by Shonen Knife on this tour, as they were originally released through the "Small Circle of Friends", by Michie, in December 1996:
"Hello! Shonen Knife Freaks! Here is our latest live tour schedule outside of Japan:"
13 Dec '96 - Spark - (Singapore)
AUSTRALIAN TOUR: 17 Jan '97 - Big Day Out Festival - Ericsson Stadium, Auckland, New Zealand! 18 Jan '97 - Playroom - Gold Coast 19 Jan '97 - Big Day Out Festival - Parklands Stage 3, 6:30-7:15 p.m. - Gold Coast, Queensland 22 Jan '97 - Great Northern Hotel - Byron Bay New South Wales. Also, check out the very cool Planet Byron Website while you're here! 23 Jan '97 - Roxy - Brisbane - Here's more of Brisbane. 24 Jan '97 - Prince of Wales - St. Kilda, Melbourne 25 Jan '97 - Big Day Out Festival - RAS Showground, Melbourne. Stage 4, at 5:15-6:00 p.m. - w/Sepultra, Offspring, Soundgarden, The Prodigy. 26 Jan '97 - Annandale Hotel (corner of Nelson & Parramatta Road), Annandale (519-7215) - Sydney. 27 Jan '97 - Big Day Out Festival - RAS Showground, Sydney - Check the Sydney Morning Herald in the Metro Section - for possible advertisements, and reviews of the show! They did some coverage of the 1996 shows. 30 Jan '97 - Synagogue - Adelaide 31 Jan '97 - Big Day Out Festival - Adelaide 02 Feb '97 - Big Day Out Festival - On Stage 3, 6:30-7:15 p.m. - The East Perth Oval, Perth.
Here's a review of the previous "Big Day Out" Festival at the Perth Oval on 2/4/96! Shonen Knife can't wait to see Singapore and Australia!! We'll have lots of fun out there! See ya! michie".
Michie's notes are in italics, otherwise all I added was paragraph spacing. Since Sepultura had split up, they didn't play as scheduled. I don't know if their withdrawal was announced before the tour started. One fan reviewer of Auckland at the NeXus had no idea who Atsushi was, believing him to be a roadie. Determined suppression of any knowledge of his actual relationship to Shonen Knife was and still is the official posture. It's a privacy policy, but at the same time, having your private life respected at the cost of effacing your whole personal existence strikes me as Not Fun. Not a week goes by that I don't wish the old Los Angeles Shonen Knife NeXus had been properly archived online somewhere, with all its media intact. Same for the new, improved, thoroughly dead shonenknife-dot-com. But you're hearing that from a guy who thinks an authoritative discography would be a hard task. 〜〜〜〜〜 A month after the AU/NZ tour with Big Day Out, SK took on a US tour (34 shows from Feb 09 to May 17) supporting the release of Brand New Knife. They made themselves available for interviews. George Handlon was at the head of the line on behalf of the NeXus ("SKLA" below). The whole interview* is a gem, go read it. They discuss Big Day Out, Australian zoo animals, losing money in casinos, life and times in Osaka, impressions of LA, and Brand New Knife
in great depth: web.archive.org/web/19981203043729/http://home.earthlink.net:80/~gwiz/skinter1.html————— * To be accurate, it doesn't seem that the *whole* interview was available very long. Although a link to Part 3 was archived, no data was ever captured from that address. So the entire interview was never posted as expected, or Part 3 was taken down. ————— SKLA: "Do you have any, like, favorite stories that you'd like to say about the tour? Things that happened that you really enjoyed, or were funny?" Naoko: "Yeah, we arrived in Brisbane, from Osaka - Atsuko and I arrived at Brisbane... and we went to Auckland, New Zealand..... and we had one show at "Big Day Out", and after the show we met Evan Dando... from Lemonheads.... and he was very nice guy and very friendly... and then we had a show at (Naoko and Atsuko confer...) Gold Coast! The venues name is "Play Room". And, ahh... Gold Coast is for "Tourist City" - for tourists... like Hawaii."Atsuko: "Michie-san came there..."Naoko: (looking toward Michie...) "And, Michie joined... (us) that day".SKLA: "So, you flew straight in to Gold Coast from Osaka?"Michie: "Ahhh... yes".
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 21, 2018 17:19:46 GMT -5
OMG, that newsgroup posting. It's one of the most poisonous things I think I have ever seen on the internets. A rational-looking presentation from a person who asks to be taken at their word, when every word is motivated by malicious envy, fascination with unwellness and unwholesome things, and a desire to trample on the reputation of George Oji-san — the guy who tried harder and did more to support Shonen Knife in the English-speaking world than any other single person. Not as a job, as an avocation. From a wish to have a part in something amazing.
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Post by tangerinesun on Jan 22, 2018 4:25:13 GMT -5
Relevant to the Atsushi as a player thing... From Naoko Ko Shinbun Live 2003/12/23 (Tue) www.shonenknife.net/blog/archives/5160 It's me, the live performance of "Ko Shimbun" (Old Newspapers), the folk duo of Nancy and Roman Yumeno ("Rashinban bassist Atsushi Shibata, Knife Manager) is to be on December 27 at Shibuya Attic. Doors at 6pm, 2,000 yen in advance.
Sponsored by 'ADEL', who released an album through our label 'Burning Farm'. Show details are on their homepage. http : / / www7 . plala.or.jp/a_dell/ <==dead linkThe theme of Ko Shimbun is folk. Additionally, it's going to feel like a taste of the '70s.
Since I'll also be showcasing a new song, come listen without fail. That's '70s-style phrasing, isn't it? 〜〜〜〜〜 The Roman and Nancy show, a folk music act. Naoko was flirting hard with her English name equivalent for awhile. The Japanese for Atsushi's pseudonym is 夢野浪漫. 浪漫 is rouman in a phonetic reading based on Chinese. "Rouman" would usually be taken in the sense of "romance", meaning a novelistic story or a love affair, either one. But it's also used for the foreign name "Roman". 夢野 is a common spelling of Yumeno, which is a Japanese-sounding name but *not* so common. The most famous people to hold it are Kyuusaku Yumeno, a novelist, and Maria Yumeno, a soft porn actress. It was a pseudonym in both cases, chosen because it sounds like yume no meaning "of or from a dream". Yumeno Rouman in the normal Japanese name order would tend to be heard as "dream romance". And the Ramones/Yamano consonance is still good. Cute, very cute. ADEL, what's that?ADEL had one release on Burning Farm, an album entitled Biscommunication (BF-4CD, 2003 APR 10) see tower.jp/item/972436/Biscommunication. It's out of print, sells at auction for 40 or 50 bucks. I happen to have some pictures from a Yahoo auction that's current for the next 3 days. Tracklist: 01. Bowling Boring 02. Middlesex Wonder 03. Loch Ness 04. Bisko 05. Split Lizard 06. Long Vacation Hallucination 07. Bleach 08. Chanbara 09. Bubble Star 10. ByeBye Pixie (Secret Track) Band members: Takashi Horikawa (堀川卓), Daisuke Shimotsuma, Makoto Koga (古賀誠), Hideki Tsugawa (津川) Guests: Chrome Shoko, Masato Ishida, Naoko Yamano (Shonen Knife) Produced by: ADEL & Atsushi Shibata (TOMATO HEAD) Review by Tower staff: Participating in the "Shinjuku Meeting 02" compilation where they left an intense impact, ADEL's new album is complete. What's so intense? If you hear them once, the vocals are unforgettable! Are they "heta-uma", are they actually "heta"!? With the voice coming and going over a delicate line, little by little the listener is dyed ADEL-colored…… that is, it soaks into your ears in a way that doesn't fade. Why not take a peek into an "ADEL-Rock" picture gallery like that? It'll become a habit! bounce © Yuko Higuchi / Tower Records (appearing in the May 2003 issue, p 104) Heta-uma (下手上手) is literally "clumsy/skillful" a term for works that look botched at first but turn out to be pleasingly well done somehow. I don't think I want to be reviewed by anyone whose idea of an endorsement is, "Are the vocals craptastic, or are they even crappy at all, really? You'll love this!!"
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