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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Feb 25, 2018 19:21:43 GMT -5
I can't say HOW bad Michie's depressions were, however, the fact that she suffered from outbreaks of depression is chronicled in her own story of how "Fruits and Vegetables" was written during such an episode, and she changed her diet, which seemed to help. Where's the source for this? It would be useful to have the original comments. I am not a psychiatrist, but nobody who is one thinks you can make real clinical depression go away by eating fruits and vegetables. < It's somewhere in all those SK interviews we have posted, which exact one? Look for it
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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Feb 25, 2018 19:24:24 GMT -5
Would the cartoon alone cause her to leave the band? Not likely, I never said or implied that it did, just saying that it couldn't have helped, if something was already boiling up inside of Michie, at the time.
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Post by tangerinesun on Feb 26, 2018 18:14:04 GMT -5
I can't say HOW bad Michie's depressions were, however, the fact that she suffered from outbreaks of depression is chronicled in her own story of how "Fruits and Vegetables" was written during such an episode, and she changed her diet, which seemed to help. Where's the source for this? It would be useful to have the original comments. I am not a psychiatrist, but nobody who is one thinks you can make real clinical depression go away by eating fruits and vegetables. < It's somewhere in all those SK interviews we have posted, which exact one? Look for it You shouldn't use when what you mean is eff-off, I won't help you. Would the cartoon alone cause her to leave the band? Not likely, I never said or implied that it did, just saying that it couldn't have helped, if something was already boiling up inside of Michie, at the time. What you're doing is building up a doodle into a story about hurt feelings, and you're using "depression" in an imprecise and confusing way, which invites people to imagine things they don't really know about. As it stands, this is nothing but idle speculation and negative to boot. You're indulging in gossip. I've spent some hours trying to get people to cut that out, so it's discouraging.
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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Mar 1, 2018 9:53:26 GMT -5
Would the cartoon alone cause her to leave the band? Not likely, I never said or implied that it did, just saying that it couldn't have helped, if something was already boiling up inside of Michie, at the time. What you're doing is building up a doodle into a story about hurt feelings, and you're using "depression" in an imprecise and confusing way, which invites people to imagine things they don't really know about. As it stands, this is nothing but idle speculation and negative to boot. You're indulging in gossip. I've spent some hours trying to get people to cut that out, so it's discouraging. [/quote] Well, since the info on what made Michie leave the band, is all but miniscule, speculation is pretty much all we have to go on...secondly, it's a forum, a place to give opinions and get feedback, it can't all be nothing but facts, or you could replace it, with Wikipedia.
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Post by tangerinesun on Mar 1, 2018 16:47:36 GMT -5
Would the cartoon alone cause her to leave the band? Not likely, I never said or implied that it did, just saying that it couldn't have helped, if something was already boiling up inside of Michie, at the time. Well, since the info on what made Michie leave the band, is all but miniscule, speculation is pretty much all we have to go on...secondly, it's a forum, a place to give opinions and get feedback, it can't all be nothing but facts, or you could replace it, with Wikipedia. That's where I strongly disagree. Strongly disagree. Giving opinions doesn't mean giving just any opinion at all. Not if you really have respect for yourself and other people. Not if you want to be taken seriously, ever. I can spew conspiracy theories and fantasies out of my own sick imagination all day long. I can tell you all about how UFOs use the pyramids of Gaza as landing beacons. I know what really happened at the WTC on 9/11, I can tell you who killed Kurt, and I know just what Michie's issues must have been. Listen to me!!! In a public place, that's nothing but noise. It would be taking up people's time and attention with complete garbage. It's a harmful thing to engage in. It tends to bury all the worthwhile contributions, and it destroys communities from the inside like a poison. The people you'd like to have around start avoiding you like you're contagious. Which, actually, you are. 〜〜〜〜〜 I honestly don't care what anyone's opinion is. I believe in the old proverb, "Opinions are like @——holes." Meaning: everybody has an opinion, having one does not make you special, and the opinion you have is not special or valuable just because it's yours. It's more likely that your opinion is something others would prefer not to interact with at very close quarters. 〜〜〜〜〜 On the other hand, the reasons for your opinion are intensely interesting... assuming they are any good at all. That is something I want to hear about all day every day. You may be familiar with this useful concept from the internet brain trust: People who have opinions and loudly voice them without reasons are stuck on the pinnacle of Mt. Stupid, and they are a constant source of misinformation and aggravation to others. People who understand that they need to know what they are talking about before they ask other people to listen... those are the ones who get off the mountain in a short amount of time. We could all do a lot worse than to pretend that we are writing for Wikipedia every time we open our traps. The last thing I ever want to see here is the sort of mindless, howling internet food-fight that is making Facebook groups and Twitter feeds into little hells on earth.
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Post by thegl0r on Mar 1, 2018 21:27:48 GMT -5
Here's a bit from an interview done by telephone where Michie briefly talks about the writing of Fruits and Vegetables. www.babysue.com/ShonenKnife.htmlI've read other interviews where she has given pretty much the exact same explanation for the song, though I've not seen her expanding on it. I'd never taken this to mean she was saying that she was suffering from what a psychologist would call depression. If she'd been speaking in Japanese, rather than in a foreign language, perhaps the meaning of that sentence wouldn't have come out quite the same. "I was depressed and sad and it was midnight probably..." I'd always thought she way saying that she'd been having a bad night and couldn't sleep. Raiding the fridge for healthy snacks sorted her out. When I'm feeling a bit down and out of sorts and go on a proper fruits and vegetables binge, it always makes me feel better and healthier. With thoughts that I'm doing myself good, it makes me feel good. I'd always assumed Michie had been in a similar place that particular night. Down, not Depressed. But hey, I'm just guessing.
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Post by tangerinesun on Mar 1, 2018 22:28:38 GMT -5
Here's a bit from an interview done by telephone where Michie briefly talks about the writing of Fruits and Vegetables. www.babysue.com/ShonenKnife.htmlI've read other interviews where she has given pretty much the exact same explanation for the song, though I've not seen her expanding on it. I'd never taken this to mean she was saying that she was suffering from what a psychologist would call depression. If she'd been speaking in Japanese, rather than in a foreign language, perhaps the meaning of that sentence wouldn't have come out quite the same. "I was depressed and sad and it was midnight probably..." I'd always thought she way saying that she'd been having a bad night and couldn't sleep. Raiding the fridge for healthy snacks sorted her out. When I'm feeling a bit down and out of sorts and go on a proper fruits and vegetables binge, it always makes me feel better and healthier. With thoughts that I'm doing myself good, it makes me feel good. I'd always assumed Michie had been in a similar place that particular night. Down, not Depressed. But hey, I'm just guessing. Thanks! I remember this one now, it's outstanding. Stephen Fievet sure gets the good interviews. He asks the big questions. — What is the biggest thing you've killed? — Do you take anything seriously? — What do you think is the biggest problem in the world? — Is television a good thing or a bad thing? He got Rasputina's Melora Creager to give her views on corporal punishment, teenagers, the occult, and watching TV with Mary Queen of Scots. As far as guessing goes... guessing is OK as long as we all know it for what it is. In reality, all we do is guess about everything all the time anyway. Some guesses are pretty good. Namely, the ones that have e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e. I don't guess this is Michie revealing her major depression to a shocked and concerned world. If she had written her song about an evening on the couch with a tub of Haagen Dazs, a lot of people would laugh and say "been there." Not saying that Michie was ever the world's bubbliest helium personality, but look at what Naoko came out with on the same call, maybe with Michie listening in the same hotel room: Do you remember your dreams?
This morning?
This morning...or any time.
Two, three days ago I had a dream and it was that our bassist Michie was taking plastic surgery with her face.
Really. And we were just talking about that.
And Michie was cried "WHAAAAAAA! EEEEEE!"
Was it a bad dream?
Yes, yes.I'll say. This on top of vivid apparitions of gray demons by the bedside. See a shrink. Could be that the bad-looking cartoon is about Naoko's fear that Michie was slowly turning into Michael Jackson. Yeah... that has to be it. Sad. So where Michie went was, after years of increasingly desperate reconstructive surgeries, she withdrew to the sewers of Paris, where today she lurks beneath the national opera house. Case closed.
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Post by mikado-AKA-Shoknifeman on Mar 3, 2018 12:46:57 GMT -5
I think my hypothesis makes a lot more sense, than yours, Jeff! hahaha
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Post by tangerinesun on Mar 3, 2018 15:56:49 GMT -5
I think my hypothesis makes a lot more sense, than yours, Jeff! hahaha Oh, agreed, agreed. There's this, though: once you've gone into hiding for any reason, coming out again can cause you problems... which Lon Chaney Jr. could tell about. The Phantom of the Opera Movie Review THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA (1925)93 minutes 2004 DEC 19 by Roger Ebert www.rogerebert.com/reviews/great-movie-the-phantom-of-the-opera-1925 After taking over the leading role from an ominously ill prima donna, [ Christine ] follows a mysterious voice, opens a secret door behind the mirror in her dressing room, descends through forbidding cellars, is taken semi-conscious by horseback and gondola deeper into the labyrinth and sees the coffin where he sleeps. At this point, her sudden cry of "You — you are the Phantom!" inspired me to write in my notes: "Duh!"
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